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		<title>By: Rosemary F.</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-89623</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosemary F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday was my birthday and I chose 333 Belrose because I remembered it to be a more updated menu than some of the other choices my daughter suggested.  My salad (bibb lettuce with apple, walnuts,etc.)was yummy.  The entrees were excellent: salmon, pork tenderloin and the grouper.  However, I was underwhelmed with the calamari (chewy and garlicky dip.  My cosmopolitan was so tasty and refreshing that I ordered another one rather than a glass of wine with my entree.  Big mistake!  It was over cranberried and missing something.  I should have sent it back but always worry that someone is going to do something to the drink because I did so.  While everything came to the table in a fairly timely manner, the waiter gave you the feeling that he was just going through the motions.  When I asked for more coffee he came by with and set an additional mug on the table instead of checking to see if anyone else wanted more coffee.  Overall it was a pleasant experience and I would certainly go back again but I hope that the owner(s)will spend some time with the wait staff to get them to be just slightly more pleasantly attentive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturday was my birthday and I chose 333 Belrose because I remembered it to be a more updated menu than some of the other choices my daughter suggested.  My salad (bibb lettuce with apple, walnuts,etc.)was yummy.  The entrees were excellent: salmon, pork tenderloin and the grouper.  However, I was underwhelmed with the calamari (chewy and garlicky dip.  My cosmopolitan was so tasty and refreshing that I ordered another one rather than a glass of wine with my entree.  Big mistake!  It was over cranberried and missing something.  I should have sent it back but always worry that someone is going to do something to the drink because I did so.  While everything came to the table in a fairly timely manner, the waiter gave you the feeling that he was just going through the motions.  When I asked for more coffee he came by with and set an additional mug on the table instead of checking to see if anyone else wanted more coffee.  Overall it was a pleasant experience and I would certainly go back again but I hope that the owner(s)will spend some time with the wait staff to get them to be just slightly more pleasantly attentive.</p>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIke M... is this a commentary on the restaurant business in general or specific to 333 Belrose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIke M&#8230; is this a commentary on the restaurant business in general or specific to 333 Belrose?</p>
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		<title>By: mike m.</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-76754</link>
		<dc:creator>mike m.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The restaurant scene gets OLD...People are tired of the same old thing and these restaurants are exploiting EVERY aspect of dining out.Rolls, lemon water, a big warm smile, packed bar, sports on tv, music some nights etc etc and oh yeah a glass of wine .....$9.  And anyone in the restaurant &quot;BUSINESS&quot; gets liquor without tax by buying in bulk out of state.  Take away all the glitter and flash- what are you left with- &quot;thick cut&quot; &quot;grilled&quot; pork chop and a bunch of &quot;carbs&quot; and oh yeah if your tired of the same old thing and want maybe a glass of wine- that will be $9, im running a business you know....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The restaurant scene gets OLD&#8230;People are tired of the same old thing and these restaurants are exploiting EVERY aspect of dining out.Rolls, lemon water, a big warm smile, packed bar, sports on tv, music some nights etc etc and oh yeah a glass of wine &#8230;..$9.  And anyone in the restaurant &#8220;BUSINESS&#8221; gets liquor without tax by buying in bulk out of state.  Take away all the glitter and flash- what are you left with- &#8220;thick cut&#8221; &#8220;grilled&#8221; pork chop and a bunch of &#8220;carbs&#8221; and oh yeah if your tired of the same old thing and want maybe a glass of wine- that will be $9, im running a business you know&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ's</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50546</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, as a licensee, we are required to buy all of our wine and spirits through the State Store system. So we must pay the price the PLCB dictates minus the nominal discount. Which, as your link shows, is significantly higher than out of state pricing. 

Almost all of the beers we sell we make far less than $6.25 profit. There are some very expensive 750ml bottles of beer that we make more than $6.25 on, but that’s for the entire bottle.

However, in terms of margin, 333 Belrose has a 30% cost of goods sold on each glass of Calina they’re selling. Or 70% gross profit margin. Almost all of our bottles or draft pours, while having significantly less dollar profit, have a 24% cost of goods sold or 76% gross profit margin. 

Successful restaurants tend to have a net profit of 10-18%. That’s with 28-32% cost of goods sold. If 333 Belrose and other wine centered restaurants worked on the same “dollar margin” as we do with beer, their cost of goods sold would be well over 40%. You’re talking about taking away more than half, if not all, of their of their net profit. As a 26-year veteran of the restaurant business I know, without a doubt, that any restaurant working with 40% cost of goods sold will not survive long. 

Hence my assertion that beer is a better buy all around for the guest and the restaurant. The guests have less out pocket expense while the restaurant has a higher profit margin and higher net profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, as a licensee, we are required to buy all of our wine and spirits through the State Store system. So we must pay the price the PLCB dictates minus the nominal discount. Which, as your link shows, is significantly higher than out of state pricing. </p>
<p>Almost all of the beers we sell we make far less than $6.25 profit. There are some very expensive 750ml bottles of beer that we make more than $6.25 on, but that’s for the entire bottle.</p>
<p>However, in terms of margin, 333 Belrose has a 30% cost of goods sold on each glass of Calina they’re selling. Or 70% gross profit margin. Almost all of our bottles or draft pours, while having significantly less dollar profit, have a 24% cost of goods sold or 76% gross profit margin. </p>
<p>Successful restaurants tend to have a net profit of 10-18%. That’s with 28-32% cost of goods sold. If 333 Belrose and other wine centered restaurants worked on the same “dollar margin” as we do with beer, their cost of goods sold would be well over 40%. You’re talking about taking away more than half, if not all, of their of their net profit. As a 26-year veteran of the restaurant business I know, without a doubt, that any restaurant working with 40% cost of goods sold will not survive long. </p>
<p>Hence my assertion that beer is a better buy all around for the guest and the restaurant. The guests have less out pocket expense while the restaurant has a higher profit margin and higher net profit.</p>
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		<title>By: mld</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50437</link>
		<dc:creator>mld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I don&#039;t doubt the validity of the quoted price through the PLCB, that is a real shame since this is an $8 bottle of wine. See here: http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107

Also, TJ, do you make $6.25 markup on any beers? Since most of your beers cost less than that, I doubt that you make that much regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I don&#8217;t doubt the validity of the quoted price through the PLCB, that is a real shame since this is an $8 bottle of wine. See here: <a href="http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107" rel="nofollow">http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107</a></p>
<p>Also, TJ, do you make $6.25 markup on any beers? Since most of your beers cost less than that, I doubt that you make that much regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ's</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50436</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the lack of value in wine at restaurants. But, you all should have your facts straight before assuming that a restaurant is &quot;ripping&quot; you off.

1st - a bottle of Calina Reserve Chardonnay is $12.19.
2nd - We get a 10% discount and then pay 6% sales tax.
3rd - You only get (4.23) six ounce pours from a 750ml bottle.

So their cost is $2.76 per glass.

Wine is a lose-lose for the consumer and restaurateur.
Stick with craft beer...it&#039;s a good value for both.
That&#039;s my very biased opinion.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the lack of value in wine at restaurants. But, you all should have your facts straight before assuming that a restaurant is &#8220;ripping&#8221; you off.</p>
<p>1st &#8211; a bottle of Calina Reserve Chardonnay is $12.19.<br />
2nd &#8211; We get a 10% discount and then pay 6% sales tax.<br />
3rd &#8211; You only get (4.23) six ounce pours from a 750ml bottle.</p>
<p>So their cost is $2.76 per glass.</p>
<p>Wine is a lose-lose for the consumer and restaurateur.<br />
Stick with craft beer&#8230;it&#8217;s a good value for both.<br />
That&#8217;s my very biased opinion.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: mld</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50397</link>
		<dc:creator>mld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity, I went to Belrose&#039;s website and looked up the first wine that cost $9 a glass on the menu - the Calina Reserve Chard, and it actually costs about $8 a bottle at retail. If you factor in the volume and wholesale discount that I&#039;m sure they get, 50 cents is not far off.

In general most restaurant charge outlandish prices for wine by the glass, which is why I try to go with either bottles or beers. There&#039;s rarely any value in single glass wine purchases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, I went to Belrose&#8217;s website and looked up the first wine that cost $9 a glass on the menu &#8211; the Calina Reserve Chard, and it actually costs about $8 a bottle at retail. If you factor in the volume and wholesale discount that I&#8217;m sure they get, 50 cents is not far off.</p>
<p>In general most restaurant charge outlandish prices for wine by the glass, which is why I try to go with either bottles or beers. There&#8217;s rarely any value in single glass wine purchases.</p>
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		<title>By: the man</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50396</link>
		<dc:creator>the man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>al.......glass of wine can&#039;t cost 50cents......move into the correct millennium.....if a bottle is $20 at the state store and it pours 6 glasses than the COST(of the beverage itself..not to mention taxes, rent, electric, salaries etc etc)is=$3.34.  The bottom line is if you cannot afford to go out(and there is nothing wrong with that) stay home.  Restaurants have to turn a profit to stay open.  Generally there is very little money in food, most of your markups are in booze.  Another thought...don&#039;t drink! Cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al&#8230;&#8230;.glass of wine can&#8217;t cost 50cents&#8230;&#8230;move into the correct millennium&#8230;..if a bottle is $20 at the state store and it pours 6 glasses than the COST(of the beverage itself..not to mention taxes, rent, electric, salaries etc etc)is=$3.34.  The bottom line is if you cannot afford to go out(and there is nothing wrong with that) stay home.  Restaurants have to turn a profit to stay open.  Generally there is very little money in food, most of your markups are in booze.  Another thought&#8230;don&#8217;t drink! Cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: al neuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>al neuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have eaten here couple of times. Food is good, but the whole deal is a bit overpriced.

 Don&#039;t understand why these self-styled &quot;upscale&quot; restaurants have to rip off their customers on wine--here the cheapest glass is $9, which I&#039;m sure costs them at least 50 cents.

 I understand they have to make a living, but I refuse to patronize restaurants with unreasonable prices like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have eaten here couple of times. Food is good, but the whole deal is a bit overpriced.</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t understand why these self-styled &#8220;upscale&#8221; restaurants have to rip off their customers on wine&#8211;here the cheapest glass is $9, which I&#8217;m sure costs them at least 50 cents.</p>
<p> I understand they have to make a living, but I refuse to patronize restaurants with unreasonable prices like these.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was the 5th time we ate in the restaurant over the last 2 years...it will be the last...sit at the bar...the food comes out faster and its easier to get a drink.  We were a table of 10 and were seated within a few minutes.  We ordered a round of drinks and they took about 15 minutes...our orders were taken and the food came out in a timely manner.  Butternut squash soup was way too sweet and the quesadillas were fair at best...we had one order for the tale and sent some back.  the calamari was good however.

i had the venison (dry and overdone) and the yukon hash was just awful My wife had the rockfish(?) it was a special... (tasteless and squishy)...neither of us finished our meals.  Others had pork tenderloin and said it was overdone (this a signature dish i guess).  When the meals were coming out we ordered another bottle of white...most were done with their meals before it came out.

the outside seating is a better place just because you are outside, and so is the bar (and their bar specials are better).  it&#039;s just not worth the price to sit inside the restaurant...it&#039;s loud and the food just isn&#039;t worth the price...oh, and there was no clarity on the bill if the 18% was added to a party of 6 or more...we had to inquire and by that point, 4 of the 5 checks had already included another tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the 5th time we ate in the restaurant over the last 2 years&#8230;it will be the last&#8230;sit at the bar&#8230;the food comes out faster and its easier to get a drink.  We were a table of 10 and were seated within a few minutes.  We ordered a round of drinks and they took about 15 minutes&#8230;our orders were taken and the food came out in a timely manner.  Butternut squash soup was way too sweet and the quesadillas were fair at best&#8230;we had one order for the tale and sent some back.  the calamari was good however.</p>
<p>i had the venison (dry and overdone) and the yukon hash was just awful My wife had the rockfish(?) it was a special&#8230; (tasteless and squishy)&#8230;neither of us finished our meals.  Others had pork tenderloin and said it was overdone (this a signature dish i guess).  When the meals were coming out we ordered another bottle of white&#8230;most were done with their meals before it came out.</p>
<p>the outside seating is a better place just because you are outside, and so is the bar (and their bar specials are better).  it&#8217;s just not worth the price to sit inside the restaurant&#8230;it&#8217;s loud and the food just isn&#8217;t worth the price&#8230;oh, and there was no clarity on the bill if the 18% was added to a party of 6 or more&#8230;we had to inquire and by that point, 4 of the 5 checks had already included another tip!</p>
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