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	<title>Comments on: 333 Belrose, Wayne</title>
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		<title>By: TJ's</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50546</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, as a licensee, we are required to buy all of our wine and spirits through the State Store system. So we must pay the price the PLCB dictates minus the nominal discount. Which, as your link shows, is significantly higher than out of state pricing. 

Almost all of the beers we sell we make far less than $6.25 profit. There are some very expensive 750ml bottles of beer that we make more than $6.25 on, but that’s for the entire bottle.

However, in terms of margin, 333 Belrose has a 30% cost of goods sold on each glass of Calina they’re selling. Or 70% gross profit margin. Almost all of our bottles or draft pours, while having significantly less dollar profit, have a 24% cost of goods sold or 76% gross profit margin. 

Successful restaurants tend to have a net profit of 10-18%. That’s with 28-32% cost of goods sold. If 333 Belrose and other wine centered restaurants worked on the same “dollar margin” as we do with beer, their cost of goods sold would be well over 40%. You’re talking about taking away more than half, if not all, of their of their net profit. As a 26-year veteran of the restaurant business I know, without a doubt, that any restaurant working with 40% cost of goods sold will not survive long. 

Hence my assertion that beer is a better buy all around for the guest and the restaurant. The guests have less out pocket expense while the restaurant has a higher profit margin and higher net profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, as a licensee, we are required to buy all of our wine and spirits through the State Store system. So we must pay the price the PLCB dictates minus the nominal discount. Which, as your link shows, is significantly higher than out of state pricing. </p>
<p>Almost all of the beers we sell we make far less than $6.25 profit. There are some very expensive 750ml bottles of beer that we make more than $6.25 on, but that’s for the entire bottle.</p>
<p>However, in terms of margin, 333 Belrose has a 30% cost of goods sold on each glass of Calina they’re selling. Or 70% gross profit margin. Almost all of our bottles or draft pours, while having significantly less dollar profit, have a 24% cost of goods sold or 76% gross profit margin. </p>
<p>Successful restaurants tend to have a net profit of 10-18%. That’s with 28-32% cost of goods sold. If 333 Belrose and other wine centered restaurants worked on the same “dollar margin” as we do with beer, their cost of goods sold would be well over 40%. You’re talking about taking away more than half, if not all, of their of their net profit. As a 26-year veteran of the restaurant business I know, without a doubt, that any restaurant working with 40% cost of goods sold will not survive long. </p>
<p>Hence my assertion that beer is a better buy all around for the guest and the restaurant. The guests have less out pocket expense while the restaurant has a higher profit margin and higher net profit.</p>
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		<title>By: mld</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50437</link>
		<dc:creator>mld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I don&#039;t doubt the validity of the quoted price through the PLCB, that is a real shame since this is an $8 bottle of wine. See here: http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107

Also, TJ, do you make $6.25 markup on any beers? Since most of your beers cost less than that, I doubt that you make that much regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I don&#8217;t doubt the validity of the quoted price through the PLCB, that is a real shame since this is an $8 bottle of wine. See here: <a href="http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107" rel="nofollow">http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045107</a></p>
<p>Also, TJ, do you make $6.25 markup on any beers? Since most of your beers cost less than that, I doubt that you make that much regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ's</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50436</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the lack of value in wine at restaurants. But, you all should have your facts straight before assuming that a restaurant is &quot;ripping&quot; you off.

1st - a bottle of Calina Reserve Chardonnay is $12.19.
2nd - We get a 10% discount and then pay 6% sales tax.
3rd - You only get (4.23) six ounce pours from a 750ml bottle.

So their cost is $2.76 per glass.

Wine is a lose-lose for the consumer and restaurateur.
Stick with craft beer...it&#039;s a good value for both.
That&#039;s my very biased opinion.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the lack of value in wine at restaurants. But, you all should have your facts straight before assuming that a restaurant is &#8220;ripping&#8221; you off.</p>
<p>1st &#8211; a bottle of Calina Reserve Chardonnay is $12.19.<br />
2nd &#8211; We get a 10% discount and then pay 6% sales tax.<br />
3rd &#8211; You only get (4.23) six ounce pours from a 750ml bottle.</p>
<p>So their cost is $2.76 per glass.</p>
<p>Wine is a lose-lose for the consumer and restaurateur.<br />
Stick with craft beer&#8230;it&#8217;s a good value for both.<br />
That&#8217;s my very biased opinion.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: mld</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-50397</link>
		<dc:creator>mld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity, I went to Belrose&#039;s website and looked up the first wine that cost $9 a glass on the menu - the Calina Reserve Chard, and it actually costs about $8 a bottle at retail. If you factor in the volume and wholesale discount that I&#039;m sure they get, 50 cents is not far off.

In general most restaurant charge outlandish prices for wine by the glass, which is why I try to go with either bottles or beers. There&#039;s rarely any value in single glass wine purchases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, I went to Belrose&#8217;s website and looked up the first wine that cost $9 a glass on the menu &#8211; the Calina Reserve Chard, and it actually costs about $8 a bottle at retail. If you factor in the volume and wholesale discount that I&#8217;m sure they get, 50 cents is not far off.</p>
<p>In general most restaurant charge outlandish prices for wine by the glass, which is why I try to go with either bottles or beers. There&#8217;s rarely any value in single glass wine purchases.</p>
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		<title>By: the man</title>
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		<dc:creator>the man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>al.......glass of wine can&#039;t cost 50cents......move into the correct millennium.....if a bottle is $20 at the state store and it pours 6 glasses than the COST(of the beverage itself..not to mention taxes, rent, electric, salaries etc etc)is=$3.34.  The bottom line is if you cannot afford to go out(and there is nothing wrong with that) stay home.  Restaurants have to turn a profit to stay open.  Generally there is very little money in food, most of your markups are in booze.  Another thought...don&#039;t drink! Cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al&#8230;&#8230;.glass of wine can&#8217;t cost 50cents&#8230;&#8230;move into the correct millennium&#8230;..if a bottle is $20 at the state store and it pours 6 glasses than the COST(of the beverage itself..not to mention taxes, rent, electric, salaries etc etc)is=$3.34.  The bottom line is if you cannot afford to go out(and there is nothing wrong with that) stay home.  Restaurants have to turn a profit to stay open.  Generally there is very little money in food, most of your markups are in booze.  Another thought&#8230;don&#8217;t drink! Cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: al neuman</title>
		<link>http://mainlinedine.com/rest/333belrose.html#comment-44140</link>
		<dc:creator>al neuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have eaten here couple of times. Food is good, but the whole deal is a bit overpriced.

 Don&#039;t understand why these self-styled &quot;upscale&quot; restaurants have to rip off their customers on wine--here the cheapest glass is $9, which I&#039;m sure costs them at least 50 cents.

 I understand they have to make a living, but I refuse to patronize restaurants with unreasonable prices like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have eaten here couple of times. Food is good, but the whole deal is a bit overpriced.</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t understand why these self-styled &#8220;upscale&#8221; restaurants have to rip off their customers on wine&#8211;here the cheapest glass is $9, which I&#8217;m sure costs them at least 50 cents.</p>
<p> I understand they have to make a living, but I refuse to patronize restaurants with unreasonable prices like these.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was the 5th time we ate in the restaurant over the last 2 years...it will be the last...sit at the bar...the food comes out faster and its easier to get a drink.  We were a table of 10 and were seated within a few minutes.  We ordered a round of drinks and they took about 15 minutes...our orders were taken and the food came out in a timely manner.  Butternut squash soup was way too sweet and the quesadillas were fair at best...we had one order for the tale and sent some back.  the calamari was good however.

i had the venison (dry and overdone) and the yukon hash was just awful My wife had the rockfish(?) it was a special... (tasteless and squishy)...neither of us finished our meals.  Others had pork tenderloin and said it was overdone (this a signature dish i guess).  When the meals were coming out we ordered another bottle of white...most were done with their meals before it came out.

the outside seating is a better place just because you are outside, and so is the bar (and their bar specials are better).  it&#039;s just not worth the price to sit inside the restaurant...it&#039;s loud and the food just isn&#039;t worth the price...oh, and there was no clarity on the bill if the 18% was added to a party of 6 or more...we had to inquire and by that point, 4 of the 5 checks had already included another tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the 5th time we ate in the restaurant over the last 2 years&#8230;it will be the last&#8230;sit at the bar&#8230;the food comes out faster and its easier to get a drink.  We were a table of 10 and were seated within a few minutes.  We ordered a round of drinks and they took about 15 minutes&#8230;our orders were taken and the food came out in a timely manner.  Butternut squash soup was way too sweet and the quesadillas were fair at best&#8230;we had one order for the tale and sent some back.  the calamari was good however.</p>
<p>i had the venison (dry and overdone) and the yukon hash was just awful My wife had the rockfish(?) it was a special&#8230; (tasteless and squishy)&#8230;neither of us finished our meals.  Others had pork tenderloin and said it was overdone (this a signature dish i guess).  When the meals were coming out we ordered another bottle of white&#8230;most were done with their meals before it came out.</p>
<p>the outside seating is a better place just because you are outside, and so is the bar (and their bar specials are better).  it&#8217;s just not worth the price to sit inside the restaurant&#8230;it&#8217;s loud and the food just isn&#8217;t worth the price&#8230;oh, and there was no clarity on the bill if the 18% was added to a party of 6 or more&#8230;we had to inquire and by that point, 4 of the 5 checks had already included another tip!</p>
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		<title>By: John G</title>
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		<dc:creator>John G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The food and service are fantastic! You can taste the passion in the food. Draft beer selection was good, and Stella was a great choice with our meal. The only complaint is we can&#039;t get there more often, as the menu is a bit overpriced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The food and service are fantastic! You can taste the passion in the food. Draft beer selection was good, and Stella was a great choice with our meal. The only complaint is we can&#8217;t get there more often, as the menu is a bit overpriced.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I and friends have been to 333 Bellrose for many meals, especially at the bar, with the great Michael Shea at the bar.

Mike is the best bartender on the Main Line in my opinion.

If you want to enjoy your time out, head to 333 Belrose for happy hour, and stay for dinner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I and friends have been to 333 Bellrose for many meals, especially at the bar, with the great Michael Shea at the bar.</p>
<p>Mike is the best bartender on the Main Line in my opinion.</p>
<p>If you want to enjoy your time out, head to 333 Belrose for happy hour, and stay for dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had dinner at Belrose Friday.  The food was fantastic and service was good.  The food was so fresh and carefully prepared.  I love this place.  I hope they continue to pay attention to the small details.  It makes this place feel like home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had dinner at Belrose Friday.  The food was fantastic and service was good.  The food was so fresh and carefully prepared.  I love this place.  I hope they continue to pay attention to the small details.  It makes this place feel like home!</p>
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